tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4605495417463810012.post1900238009373692916..comments2024-03-06T10:16:40.696+00:00Comments on PhD studies in human rights: Rwanda Tribunal Symposium and Victor's JusticeWilliam A. Schabashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17552332133145290879noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4605495417463810012.post-79922456449555996492009-09-18T21:18:18.096+01:002009-09-18T21:18:18.096+01:00From time to time during the documentary they woul...From time to time during the documentary they would cut to a member of the clergy for his observations. The clergyman they interviewed stated that the church had failed the people of Rwanda on countless levels. As the documentary progressed I heard of not only neighbors killing neighbors but even a case where people had run to a church for sanctuary only to be ambushed and massacred within in the church itself…with the church official watching on in agreement. <br /> <br />I have read quite a number of accounts describing the Rwandan genocide, but that one I had not heard of. So, from that point on I watched the documentary in hope of some mention of those who ‘refused’ to kill their neighbors. I was looking for that because I knew only too well that there was at least one group of Rwandans who had nothing to do with the massacres. I expected to see this group and other such groups mentioned because it was certainly newsworthy in the respect that it demonstrated for viewers that there was a segment of the Rwandan population that didn’t condone or participate in such barbaric behavior. I felt that spending time interviewing such groups would be of great help in reconciliation in the regard that it would show Rwandans that not all of their countrymen were involved in the genocide. Also, I felt sure that such groups could be used as example to prove reconciliation was possible. <br /><br />I was watching for a far more personal reason as well. As one of Jehovah’s Witnesses I must tell you (thought a person such as your self might already be well aware) that we consider ourselves to be a large international ‘family’. That taken into account, my concerns over the well being of Rwandan Witness would be no different then the concern one would have for a sibling; a sister or brother who lived in another country. It then follows that I would also be highly interested in how my Hutu and Tutsi family members were perceived, represented and thus dealt with in any documentary produced concerning the genocide in Rwanda as well as any international forums such as the Rwanda Tribunal. <br /> <br />If I missed the mention of other Rwandans who refused to participate in the genocide in either the Symposium notes or the documentary I am sorry for it. I believe it would have been a useful tool in the reconciliation process. The documentary I watched did show an appeal based on the Christian doctrine of forgiveness. However, as it was being delivered by the same theology that had openly acknowledging lack of application for that Christian principle during the genocide, well, perhaps some of the people who were being asked to forgive might have found their request jaded. That’s yet another reason why those who could prove their lack of involvement in the genocide would have been valuable. Such ones would be more credible when suggesting the avenue of forgiveness as a reliable course leading to genuine reconciliation. <br /> <br />Never the less, all said and done I truly appreciated your remarks and I was glad to see such earnest effort on the part of so many. I don’t actually expect to see my remarks posted. I only used this format because it was my only way of reaching you and I wanted you to know that there are people out here who respect and appreciate your stand.<br /><br />Warmest regards,<br />S. QuinlivanS. Quinlivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14976732655653669405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4605495417463810012.post-84353809988134260522009-09-18T21:17:17.313+01:002009-09-18T21:17:17.313+01:00Dear Pr. Schabas,
I am writing you in regards to...Dear Pr. Schabas,<br /> <br />I am writing you in regards to your statements in the Debates with Academics section of the Rwandan Tribunal Symposium.<br /> <br />Following my viewing last month of the PBS documentary produced by the BBC, “Ghosts of Rwanda” I became very interest in finding out how the genocide had been handled by the international community. I wondered who would be taking on the challenge of sorting out such an obviously complicated event and how fare and equitable would the outcome be. <br /> <br />I am not an academic; rather I’m simply a member of the general public interested in different opinions of how the Rwandan genocide stands fifteen years after it took place. I am writing to you because I wanted to thank and compliment you on your responses in the “Response by Academics” section of the testimony. <br /> <br />By saying this I don’t mean to insinuate that I found the testimony by others less valuable. I simply wish to tell you that any member of the general public (like myself) with an interest in reading over the open records of the Rwanda Symposium will perhaps find your statements as I did; easy to follow, forthright and concise even though many of those you were addressing were your peers and would have been able to follow your line of reasoning in any event. In simpler terms, thank you for, ‘cutting to the chase’ so to speak with such statement as, “I think a Tribunal, a court system, is asked to hold trials and to decide whether people are guilty or innocent.” Yes! That would be an excellent example of an uncluttered thought that a layman like myself would be hoping to find in such a document as the Rwanda Symposium. <br /><br />Actually, I found the ‘general tenor’ of your section a, ‘breath of fresh air’. For instance, your recognition of the honest, heartfelt effort that had been put forth by many others who had to wade through discouraging difficulties such as, lack of full cooperation by some involved or inconsistency in gathered information and so on. I very much appreciated your statement on page 22 where you give an overview of events and then acknowledge the earnest effort by those who ‘actually’ gave an earnest. You said, “…but I would hate to think that people who worked so hard for many years would go home thinking that their lives hadn’t actually validated too much or that they had wasted their time. I don’t believe that to be the case.” <br /> <br />Again, as a member of the general public I’d have you know that as I read through the documents ‘I got that’—the sense of a very earnest effort on the part of so many! How pleasant to find that statement right there in your comments! <br /><br /> Please feel free to pass my thanks on. Perhaps saying that you heard from someone not associated on any level with the Rwandan Symposium who wished to thank them for their great efforts. (As far as being a humanitarian goes I must say that from what I read your ‘manor of speech’ identifies you as a humanitarian much more easily then any list of abbreviations that might follow you name)… Is that observation a little too kowtowingly sappy for you? Probably…but upon reflection, and because I found your remarks so refreshing, I’ve decided to let it stand.<br /> <br />One final thought that might be of interest to you and the others that obviously worked so hard (‘general public’ standpoint once again). As a result of reading through the Symposium records I saw how concerned all involved were with the achievement of reconciliation. Reconciliation was also a driving force in the “Ghosts of Rwanda”, the documentary that I said had originally spurred my interest in finding out how the people of Rwanda were now fairing fifteen years later. However, there was another factor that I was looking for in the documentary as well as the Symposium--I’ll explain. <br />(Second half to follow)S. Quinlivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14976732655653669405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4605495417463810012.post-83843396405274661652009-08-19T13:03:19.707+01:002009-08-19T13:03:19.707+01:00I work for the Prosecutor at the ICTR and I think ...I work for the Prosecutor at the ICTR and I think criticism of the work we do here, including the "failure" to prosecute alleged RPF crimes, is both necessary and desirable. Do you really think that comparing critics of the ICTR to holocaust deniers is fair comment? It seems to me it simply trivializes such denial.Dave Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16607011849149055952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4605495417463810012.post-23936874886124315942009-08-18T11:12:07.541+01:002009-08-18T11:12:07.541+01:00Perfectly agree with that on principle. The measur...Perfectly agree with that on principle. The measure of success of a court, is whether it has tried in fair conditions the alleged perpetrators of crimes, and that is exactly what it has done. Reconciliation, (historical) truth and "all that" can be a nice consequence of criminal trials, but can't be its main objective.<br /><br />One can still, however, disagree with the fact that no cases were brought against the RPF, if I recall, not because of a thoughtful exercise of prosecutorial discretion, but because the Rwandan government threatened to cease cooperation with the tribunal if that happened.<br /><br />As for historical truth, trials are necessarily biased in there judicial approach and that is not as such a problem. But I do think that the ICTR's focus on genocide (rightly so) has indeed clouded the reality of the civil war, leading to an oversimplified and Manichean view of the political situation in Rwanda and the region, where, in my humble opinion, the conditions existing before the genocide and that explain it in a historical context, have been recreated by the "international community" and their trust in Kagame... <br />But that's another problem, i suppose...Dov Jacobshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14088064995374954241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4605495417463810012.post-87918952840185367502009-08-17T09:54:10.532+01:002009-08-17T09:54:10.532+01:00Thanks for linking to this roundtable discussion, ...Thanks for linking to this roundtable discussion, which gives all of us the chance to make up our mind on this complex issue.<br /><br />I have been comparing sources and positions on the crimes committed by RPF troops under the command of General P. Kagame during the occupation of the Congo (DRC). These crimes probably don't fall inside the jurisdiction of the ICTR. I notice however in the debate that it's hard to "lift" Rwanda and the RPF out of it's regional context.Colored Opinionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17172030328954992750noreply@blogger.com